Holiday From the Dojo
By Crossmanx at crossmanx@hotmail.co.uk - Comments and ideas welcome
Sometimes it's good to get away, but you can't always forget about the Dojo!

A follow on from the story 'Welcome to the Dojo'

Holiday From the Dojo

Spring had set in, but it was beginning to feel more like winter each day and
the chance to have a week away in the sun was not to be missed. So when a
holiday apartment complex became available at the last minute, friends Harry
and Dez jumped at the chance to get away and relax in the warmth and by the
pool. So after a very rushed booking of flight tickets, airport parking and
hire car rental everything was ready and done, well all the important things.
It was left to the men's wives to take care of the packing, cancelling the
milk and sorting out with the school that it was OK to take the kids away and
all the 'minor' details like that.

Harry and Dez had been friends for a while now, they had got to know each
other through their wives Margret and Denise who in turn had met through their
daughter's, Melanie and Georgia, who became friends at kindergarten. The men
had sort of known each other previously as they had both gone to the same
sports club and martial arts group. But when their wives and daughters had
become friends it then also got the men talking and so becoming friends.

During the years that the families had known each other somethings had changed
and some stayed the same. The little girls had grown and gone to 'big school'
together, the men had carried on with their sports, even though they now
belonged to a different club and they still carried on with their martial
arts. The wives had also started with the martial arts, they were good, but
not at fanatical as the men were with it, and even their daughters had taken
up martial arts ... ... and they were very good!

The fact that the Daughters now did martial arts was something that was not
talked about by either of the families, well the men in particular. The men
had enjoyed their martial arts and had belonged to a number of different clubs
and groups over the years. They moved clubs once their current one had stopped
challenging them enough. But for the last few years they had belonged to a
club where the woman in charge was a 'bit different', the sensei, or Mistress
as she liked to be called was an older oriental woman who pushed 'certain'
people to their limits. Now the men were OK with this approach but sometimes
she went a bit too far. Although it was a 'family club' which was why they
joined, as the men's wives where newish to the sport and their Daughters
wanted to try it out. But the sensei, Mistress, seemed to focused more on the
women in the club and it was almost as if she was using the men as training
tools for these women. There were rumours that this oriental woman had a
number of different clubs in various towns in the area and one club in the
city where it was said the women fought men and beat them, where the women
never lost.

This rumour had become more apparent to the men when they had noticed that the
sensei was paying more attention to their daughters and taking them away for
some 'individual' training. Which all seemed to culminate in a private match,
where the Daughters were pitted against their own Fathers. The women Margret
and Denise, had their own agenda here and had gone along to watch their
Daughters fight their husbands. It had been a brutal and painful fight and one
that the men would not forget, they had both wondered just how they had been
hoodwinked into taking part in the first place, but then again the Mistress
could be a very 'persuasive' woman!

The girls, Melanie and Georgie had beaten their Fathers Harry and Dez and
beaten them severally. Each man had been double teamed by the girls, one older
experience man against two much younger and inexperience girls. The outcome
should have been obvious but it wasn't, the girls extra training form the
Mistress and some hints from their Mothers had paid off and the girls had not
only won they had battered and beaten the men. The young black girl Georgia
had drove her fist into Harry's battered white face and delivered the blow
that had knocked him out. While her friend the equally young white girl
Melanie had been the one to smash her fist into the tall black man, Dez, and
put him out of his misery (Reader may wish to read the previous story 'Welcome
to the Dojo').

If all that had not been enough for the men, that they had been beaten badly
by two girls and one of them had actually been their daughter then there was
more to follow. The men, once they had recovered, had been forced to pay for
their daughters to go away to the city for a long weekend of shopping and
whatever young girls get up to. While the girls were away, Dez had then taken
Margret, his friend's wife, to a plush county hotel where she fucked her big
black stud all weekend. But Denise, Dez's wife didn't mind, she had her own
long weekend away with Harry where she raped him and used him as her white
bedroom slave all weekend until he could take no more. So started a new
chapter in Harry and Dez's lives, if they weren't being manhandled and
practised on by their daughter's at the club, then they were either satisfying
the busty black Denise or the shapely white Margret ... ... Yes life was
complicated.

And if all that wasn't enough then there was also the Mistress who although
she couldn't be at the Dojo all the time, as she had 'other' clubs and Dojo's
to look after. But when she was there, she did always make time for both
Melanie and Georgia, which meant that Harry and Dez also got 'dragged' in! So
with all that going on the chance for a relaxing week away in the sun, where
minds would be taken off the 'Dojo and the Mistress' could only be a good
thing! The women Margret and Denise had also come to an understanding that
they would leave each other's husbands alone, for the duration of this holiday
anyway. Which meant that for the men it was good news, in some way, at lasts
they only had one woman to satisfy and please this holiday so maybe they could
indeed have some time to relax and re-charge their batteries!

And that was what the men were doing, relaxing by the pool. They had a very
nice and secluded apartment; it had rooms enough from the two families with a
joint living, kitchen and dining area. And its own swimming pool and only a
short walk to the nearest beach going one way and a short walk the other way
to the heart of the village, it was almost perfect. The only thing wrong was
that at the end of the week they would all have to go back home, back to the
cold and rainy days and even colder evenings and nights, back to work and back
to the Mistress and her Dojo!

The men firmly tried to put that thought as far out of their minds as they
could, yes so far everything was just great; their wives had been less
demanding, in every way! Their daughters had been too preoccupied with
exploring the place and the beach; and yesterday while out with their Mothers
the Daughters had met a couple of boys, Timmy and Tommy, from the next
apartment. Who were also on holiday and about the same age as the girls, they
had even arranged to meet up again the next day to go to the beach, which
excited the girls. That was very good news, it would be good for the girls to
get interested in boys, take their attention away from the Dojo and beating
their Fathers! The more there was going on to distract the girls the better.

The sun was hot, the water in the pool was cool and the drinks that each man
had were even cooler. At that moment Harry and Dez though there was nothing
that could spoil that moment, nothing at all ... ... ... BANG! The sound of
the gate that leads from the apartment's garden to the path that went down to
the beach slamming shut startled both men. That sound sent a slight shiver
down both the men, it could have been anything, a sudden gust of wind that had
made the gate fall close, but something deep in the men's gut told them that
it was something else! Juts then Melanie and Georgia, the two girls, the two
Daughters, appeared at the top of the steps that went through the garden and
down to the gate.

The girls stepped up onto the large patio area where the swimming pool was and
were heading towards two rear doors of the apartment block and their bedrooms.
The girls didn't look that happy at all, 'Oh dear' both Harry and Dez felt a
sense of unease at their Daughters annoyed and deflated expressions. Earlier
they had seemed so happy as they set off to find the boys and go to the beach
with them, but now something must have happened as they no longer had that
excited look about them.

Each of the girls was dressed similarly, a baggy beach t-shirt, towel wrapped
around them like a skirt and each had a large bag with their various beach
stuff in it. The only thing that was missing was that they were no boys with
them and they weren't at the beach! Most worrying was not only the lack of any
boys with them but also the lack of any smiling happy faces that these girls
had had earlier when they had left. Harry and Dez looked at each other,
neither of them wanted to say anything but they had to know what was going on,
if only to try and sort out something before their Daughter's got really
unhappy. Which would only mean bad times for these men.

Dez was the brave one, he sat up on his sunlounger, cleared his throat and as
the girls walked across the patio. "Hi girls ... ... Everything OK?" Harry
cringed 'not the best thing to say' and the looks on the two girls face as
their heads shot over to where 'that' comment came from was enough. They
glared at the man as if he had committed an ultimate sin. Dez quickly knew he
had to smooth things over, he got up and stood there, again not what Harry
would have done as he tried to draw himself deeper into his sunlounger and
away from his friend.

The girls who were on their way inside had now been stopped by the man's
comment, they turned towards him, Melanie and Georgia both dropped the bags
they were carrying, not a good sign! The girls looked at the tall black man,
their faces had a clear look of annoyance etched onto them as they slowly
stared to make their way around the pool to where the two men were. In
particular the girl's eyes were fixed on Dez, after all he was the brave one
that had spoken to them.

"We were going to meet up with the boys, but their parents are taking them off
to visit some castle or something." Dez could sense his daughter frustration
and tried to put a brave face on it "you can maybe see them later on when they
get back or maybe tomorrow when ... ... " He knew he couldn't win here,
whatever he said couldn't make things better, only worse, he knew that but
still his mouth kept on going "what if later we all go over there, introduce
ourselves and them maybe you and these boys can ... ... " Melanie joined in
"we had plans, we had things we wanted to do, we wanted to spend time with the
boys now not later!"

It was all starting to go a bit wrong now as Melanie's voice was getting
higher and higher as she 'informed' Dez about how unhappy she was " ... ...
It's OK for you two to lay around and do nothing we wanted a bit of fun on his
holiday ... " Georgia joined back in as now both girls berated Dez who even
took a couple of steps backwards as his Daughter and her friend seemed to be
honing in on him. The two girls had walked across the patio, down the side of
the pool to where the two men were. They had walked past Harry as he tried
desperately to stay out of the way, whilst lying as still as he could no his
sunlounger.

The sound of the gate slamming shut had grabbed Denise's attention; she was
just finishing dressing and made her way towards the open doors of the balcony
that looked over the patio and swimming pool area. She could see her husband
Dez and Harry out there relaxing and her Daughter, Georgia and Melanie, as
they walked up the garden path. Instantly the Mother could tell her Daughter
was not happy and as the conversation between the girls and Dez unravelled she
knew why. Having finished dressing she looked back at the bed to where the
naked body of a young white lad lay. He was Mitch, Margret and Harry's son and
Melanie's Brother and the busty black woman had spent the last few hours
ravishing the lad and making a man of him.

Denise stepped out onto the balcony to watch as the obviously annoyed girls
down below now started to make their way towards the men. The older woman
looked across to the next balcony, it belonged to the bedroom of her son Zain
and stood there on the balcony finishing buttoning up her blouse was Margret.
The smile on the shapely white older woman's face said it all, she had really
enjoyed Zain and all that he had to offer her! Well the women did have a truce
on using each other's husbands, but nothing had been said about enjoyed each
other sons!

Denise looked down at her watched and indicated to Margret it was time to go
or they would be late. As she left Mitch's bedroom she kissed the excused lad,
she'd thoroughly enjoyed and been really impressed by their first session
together and if he carried on like this then the lad would easily move up
higher on her list of bed partners and even overtake Harry, his Father!

Back outside by the pool and Dez took another step backwards as the girls now
came to a halt next to his sunlounger, he was trying to think what he could
say to make the situation better. But deep down he must have realised that it
was impossible, "Men! You have no idea ... ... " Melanie came out with a
phrase that Harry knew all too well, having heard his wife say it enough
times, then WHACK! The smaller white girl stepped forward and smacked the much
large black man across his face, the clenched fist struck hard and, even
though he should have expected it, the blow stunned him and made him stagger
backwards.

Not to be outdone by her friend and a bit annoyed that she had not got the
first blow in, Georgia turned her attention to the quiet man. She spun around
and kicked out, she was close enough to Harry to get her foot to shot out and
strike him in his gut. She struck hard, causing the man to double over as he
lay there, the girl's looked at each other and without speaking they knew what
to do next!

Since that faithful day in the Dojo when the Mistress had arranged that first
fight, when she had pitted the youths she was nurturing against the menfolk,
when she had set Daughter against Father, girl against man and youth against
experience. Since that day the men had been at the mercy of these girls',
their skill and experience was no real match against their Daughter's zeal and
resolve. The girls didn't need an excuse to put their new skills into practice
but they found it always seemed to focus their minds better if they had good
reason to beat the men. And as they couldn't play with the boy's that they
wanted to, that was good enough reason to turn on the men!

With the men struck and in shock, the girl's prepared themselves, Melanie
pulled her baggy t-shirt up and over her head, whilst Georgia undone the towel
around her waist, and a t-shirt and towel dropped to the floor. Then Georgia
pulled off her t-shirt and Melanie undone her towel, another t-shirt and towel
fell and the girls stood there in their bikini's, Melanie in her blue outfit
and Georgia in her red set. Both men looked at the girls as they stripped,
each thinking the same, 'these girls have certainly grown up!'

Womanhood had taken hold of the girls and their shapely bodies, and the time
at the Dojo under the Mistress' tuition had also firmed and toned those bodies
to the point where Melanie and Georgia could not be ignored anymore. For the
men looking at the good looking blond white girl, tying her long hair back in
a ponytail using the band from her wrist and the dark skinned striking girl
who flicked her short hair loose, it was quite a sight. Harry and Dez could
only look on with a sense of admiration for how good they looked, but all the
time telling themselves that one of them was their Daughter! But they consoled
themselves with the fact that the other girl wasn't and it was then alright to
quite fancy her.

But with the looks of admiration over, from the men, it was time for the girl
to get rid of their frustrations WHACK! THUD! Melanie kicked out at Dez and
Georgia brought her heel down on Harry, the men felt the girls strike, felt
the pain and knew straight away that this was going to be ... ... The girls
didn't give them time to think before they followed up with their second
strike SMACK! CRACK!

Georgia's foot came down a second time, crashing it into the man on the
sunlounger and jolting him so he rolled and fell off. Melanie foot had also
found its mark as Dez's keen cap took the full force of the girls kick. The
tall black man was sent crashing down to the floor and onto his already
painful knee, now Georgia spun round and she turned on her Father. Each girl
both grabbed onto one of the knelt man arms, they grabbed him and held him
then WHACK! SMACK! CRACK! THUD! The girl's now drove one of their knees into
the man; alternatively they struck his chest then face, pounding him harder,
harder and harder UUUHHHHHH!

Melanie and Georgia where now quite strong and together they managed to
control and hold the much larger man as they carried on hammering him with
their knees. They were really getting into this, Dez eye's blurred as there
was a flash of a white leg then a black leg, which either smashed into his
face or collided with his chest and body. And the girls could have carried on
with this for a long time had not a sound altered them to the fact they had
forgotten about someone!

Harry had gone to pull himself up but wasn't thinking, he grabbed onto the
sunlounger to haul himself upwards, but it had dragged along the floor making
a screeching sound. The girl's hearing this had looked around and seen the
shocked face of the white man, the girl's then simultaneously pounded Dez with
their knees in his face, sending the man backwards as they realised their hold
on him at the same time. Now they turned towards Harry!

The man pushed down on the sunlouger to get to his feet, at the same time his
head came up, his eye's widened at the sight of the girls who had obviously
ran at him, jumped and were now flying through the air on collision course
with him SMASH! CRUNCH! Harry was halfway up when a flying black knee and
white foot struck his body, he was catapulted back and down to the floor, then
THUD! CRASH! As Harry fell onto the hard patio floor around the pool, two
young female bodies landing on him, using him to cushion their fall
OOOWWWFFFF!

With the man on the floor and the girls onto top of him it was an opportunity
not to be missed as they now laid into him with their firsts. They were
holding him down with their own bodies making sure there was no escape for the
man as their strong clenched hands came thundering down on him. Harry tried to
get his arms up to protect himself but the girls still managed to drive their
fists through and pummel him. Then the girl's each grabbed onto one of his
arms as they flapped around and yanked them away and down to the floor, the
man called out in pain as the girls were now much stronger and where not
gentle in their method of restraining him to the floor. With Harry secure each
girl raised their free hands and SMASH! WHACK!

Two young female clenched fists came steaming in and smashed into him, blood
splattered out form his lip where he was struck across his face and the blow
that pounded into his chest made his body jolt, which amused the girls a lot.
Harry was stunned and dazed, which allowed the girls to look over and see how
Dez was doing. The tall man was on all fours, as he tried to push himself back
up off the floor. Melanie was off her Father and onto the black man like a
shot; she couldn't resist getting the dazed man into a standing headlock
ARRRHHHHH! Her strong thighs clamped around his head and she squeezed, a move
that Denise had shown her and said she'd used on her husband before.

Dez was hurting and his natural reaction was to try and break Melanie's hold,
his large hand grabbed onto the girls thighs, now normally to get his hands
and a pair of toned female thighs would have been a good thing, but not now
and not her's "naughty!" Melanie was unimpressed and squeezed even harder, the
pain was increased and the man let go, as he did Georgia sauntered up and
WHACK! She kicked out slamming her foot up into her Fathers unprotected gut as
he was still on all fours. She struck again and harder to make sure that he
knew she was not happy with him grabbing onto her friend like that WHACK!
OOOWWWHHHHH!

Melanie then noticed her own Father, Harry, had rolled over and had shaken his
head clear, he was now trying to get out of the way hoping the girl would be
content with playing with just Dez. Melanie released her hold on Daz and
rushed at Harry, he didn't see his Daughter advance or when she jumped up and
aimed herself at him. But he felt the sharp pain as the girl's knee came
thundering down and into his back AAAARRRRHHHHH!

Georgia grabbed onto her fallen Father by his hair and slammed her thigh and
then her fist into the side of his head, stunning and hurting Dez, she smiled
and did it again as the look on his shocked face amused her. Melanie grabbed
onto her Father's shoulders as she knelt on his back and wrenched them
backward, he made a pathetic screeching sound as she pulled him back, so did
it again to see if she could get him make the same sound again. The girls now
set about their Fathers, hitting, smacking, punching and slapping, the
Daughters enjoyed showing these men who was now in charge, who was to be taken
seriously and who was to be the one that now had the upper hand.

Daddy's little girls were no long so little and no long so sweet WHACK! THUD!
Melanie pulled Harry up on to his feet WALLOP! A sharp backhander just for
fun, Georgia also hauled Dez to his feet THUD! Her fist drove into his gut
winding and jolting the man harshly. Then both girls' kicked out at the same
time UUUUHHHHH! OOOOWWWW! And two feet connected into two 'sensitive' areas!
As each man dropped to his knees in agony the girls called out to each other
"Hey! Careful I may need him later." The girl's laughed, they both thought
more alike than they realised, then a quick glance over at the swimming pool
and the same idea sprung in each of their pretty little heads.

The girl's drag their injured Father's back up and onto their feet SMACK!
WHACK! A couple of hits that the girls just couldn't resist before choosing
who would be first ... ... Dez! The girls each garb one of the tall man's arms
and WHACK! WHACK! The girl's grip his wrist and pulled this arms outwards and
then, still holding onto him they shot their legs around, so each girl drove
one of her feet into his body. Melanie aimed high, pounding his chest, whilst
Georgia shot low thumping his gut with her foot. The large black man's body
shakes and jolts as the girls now step away from him, George grabs onto her
friends arm and swings Melanie around and around. Then at the right moment she
lets go and the blond hair girl goes flying, she jumps up and the extra
momentum means that nothing's going to stop her as she slams into a staggering
Dez SMACK!

Melanie with another of her flying move goes hurtling into Dez, the force of
her crashing into him takes him off his feet and sent him, and her plunging
backwards and SPLASH! straight into the swimming pool. The black girl Georgia
laughs, great aim and great hit, but now for Harry! The girl goes for an old
but classic move WHACK! A straight forward upper cut to the man, who stumbles
THUD! A kick to his gut, that's make him wobble and go backwards, then a
SMASH! A spinning kick where her foot came around and caught the man just
right, the force of the blow sends Harry spinning around and staggering to the
side. He's almost taken off his feet as he's about to go tumbling when Georgia
make her next move. As Harry spins around and his back is now to the girl, she
jumps up and onto him, she wraps herself around his shoulder and hangs there.
Pulling herself down and so unbalancing the man. He was falling forward, but
now is being pulled backwards and so wobbles and stumbles around, the black
girl hanging from him and enjoying the disorienting effect this is having on
him. She manoeuvres him to where she want him, then pulls herself even further
down, and so finally taking him off his feet SPLASH! Georgia follows her
friend and another girl takes another man into the water.

The falling effect, going backwards and then hitting the water makes for a
strange and frightening feeling for Harry, especially as the cleaver black
girl fills her lungs and now holds onto him as they sink to the bottom of the
pool. That upside down, sinking feeling through water with little air in your
lungs is a very horrible and very scary feeling. Georgia's only regret is that
she can't see the look on his terrified face.

Dez didn't fare any better when he went into the water, Melanie had made sure
she had grabbed the man when they went in, and she wasn't going to let go
either as they went to the bottom. In the pool and the girl's had control of
the men, there was a lot of tussling and grappling as the men both panicking
to get air. The men tried to fight off the girls, but they had other ideas.
When they were ready the girls broke off and headed for the surface, very
quickly followed by the men. As Dez and Harry broke the surface and gasped for
air they were relived and overjoyed to fill their lungs again and floated to
the side of the pool. But their happiness was short lived as THUD! THUD!

Suddenly a pair of strong black legs gripped Harry around his head and a pair
of tough white legs grip Dez's head. The men soon realised they were but the
side and where their Daughters where sitting, waiting for them. There was some
girly laughter then OOOOHHH! SPLASH! Both girls dived forward, their legs
still gripped around the men's heads as they were again taken down into the
pool. The men were too weak and drained to fight back, but they tried as they
were once more taken down to the bottom of the pool where the girls again
abused them and frightened them. Holding them down there for even longer as
they wrestled with the men there.

Again the girls released the men when they were finished having their fun,
this time when they broke surface Dez and Harry looked around to find the
girl, but they were nowhere to be seen. Fearing the girl would swim under them
and drag them down again, the men as quickly as they could make for the side
of the pool. They rested there, eagerly searching the water for the girl
"missing something?" The men looked up; standing over them was Melanie,
holding up Dez's shorts and Georgia displaying Harry's trunks in her hand.
Suddenly the men realised what the girls had really been doing while they
tasselled on the pool bottom with them, getting their shorts off!

ARRRHHHH OOOOWWWW! Two hands came down and two men where grabbed, Melanie
hulled Dez up out of the water and Georgia dragged Harry up and out. And not
allowing the men to go any further up the girl's settled their men down on all
fours, happy with how things had gone the girl's now led away their new
four-legged friends. The naked men were not sure where all this was going to
lead as the gir'sl headed towards the two doors that led to their bedrooms.
The girls had insisted that the two rooms on the ground floor near to the pool
where theirs. As Harry was pulled along by Georgia he wondered what was going
to happen next, did his Daughter's friend actually want him, after all he had
his wife there on holiday with him, and he was also servicing Denise,
Georgia's Mother, where would it all end? Much the same was going through
Dez's mind, as Melanie took control of him and they headed towards her
bedroom, 'surly this wasn't happening.' The man didn't know if he could
perform for three different women, his wife and then a Mother and her Daughter
as well!

Margret stepped closer to the large open windows that led out onto a small
balcony; she stooped, as now she could just see through the large bushy trees
and into the apartment next door. Which in fact was where she and her family
was staying, and she could see her Daughter, Melanie start to drag away the
battered Dez and also see Georgia manhandle her husband, Harry, towards the
building. Margret was in the bedroom of Tommy and Denise was in the bedroom of
Timmy, the two lads that had meant to going to the beach with Melanie and
Georgia.

It was true that the two lads' parents had gone off sightseeing, but they had
left the boy behind. After meeting these lad's yesterday with their
Daughter's, the women had decided that they need to be sure these boys where
good enough for Melanie and Georgia. And there was only one of doing that. It
may have been a bit underhanded and sneaky, getting a message to the boys and
then meeting them in secret but they were doing it all for their Daughter's
after all! And although the boy's had taken an instant liking to both Melanie
and Georgia, but when a sexy Mother then propositions you with an afternoon of
'fun', no lad's going to turn that down.

Margret carried on looking back, into her own apartment complex, and watching
as she stood their naked in the boy's bedroom. Her hand was reaching back
behind her as she held a large and excited young cock and slowly worked it.
Tommy was stood behind her, he had just kissed his way up the rear of her legs
and thighs, then ran his tongue over her well-rounded arse and kissed his way
up her toned back. He now stood there arousing her shoulders and neck with his
mouth as her hand grasped him and massaged him. The lad's hands moved up from
her shapely waist and up onto her magnificent breasts, he cupped them and held
the wonderful ripe moulds of female delight. His fingers searching out her
nipples, which pleased the woman, this boy had lovely hands and she liked
that.

In the next bedroom Tommy's brother, Timmy was presenting his cock to Denise
who was sat on his bed with the excited boy in front of her, she leaned
forward and took what he had for her ... ... 'Hmmmm very nice!'

Tommy gave Margret's breasts a gentle squeeze, the woman moaned 'Ohhhh yes!'
She turned around and pushed the boy onto to bed, if she was going to allow
this Tommy anywhere near her Daughter he had better be good. She climbed onto
the bed and onto him. Then once he had proved himself she would want to, need
to try out his brother and Margret was sure that Denise would also want to
give her seal of approval to Tommy's performance.

Back home and the Mistress checked her diary to see which of her clubs she was
going to tonight 'Arrh! That one.' But unfortunately her star pupils Melanie
and Georgia were away on holiday. She hoped that the girls didn't get
distracted and were making time to carry on with their practices. And that
their Mothers where behaving themselves, she knew just how mischievous Margret
and Denise could be ... ... !