Gym Visit By Crossmanx at - crossmanx@hotmail.co.uk - comments and ideas welcome. A visit here can be an experience, in more than one way! Gym Visit Kenny stepped towards the old but solid door that lead into the aging and disused warehouse, he stopped inside and looked around, from the outside this building looked as if it was nothing more than an eyesore. Something that was past it usefulness and needed to make way for something more modern and up to date, from the inside it looked something completely different. The building, this old warehouse, was at the far end of a large carpark, it wasn't too far from the main city central area, one of those areas that you wouldn't normally go to unless you had to, or knew exactly what was there! Kenny knew, roughly where he was going, and to make sure he'd been given directions. He'd got off the bus, walked down a couple of roads, down an alleyway and come out with the carpark in front of him. Surprisingly it wasn't that full at all, considering it wasn't that far a walk from here to the city centre. At the far end of the carpark were two building, on the right, the old warehouse, where he was heading for and on the left a much smaller building and in between them was an alleyway. The building on the left was a gym, Terry's Gym, one of those old fashion places, not part of some franchise or group, a good solid old fashion gym. Kenny had heard it mentioned a few times by his parents as both where keen on fitness and sport. He'd also heard about it from some of his mates, no one was quite sure what it was about 'Terry's Gym', but there were 'rumours!' And that was enough to grab the young lad's attention. (Reader may wish to read previous stories - When Rival Meet & Induction Time) The other building on the right side, the larger old warehouse, that was Kenny's destination, this building was now an 'off shot' of Terry's Gym, a bit of an overspill for some of the 'regular' members there to workout. Again there were some rumours about how Terry had come to 'acquire' this, there was a story that it was given to Terry by a mysterious woman, and another that said, again, another woman had won it in a fight, silly stories! All the lad did know was that there had been a cage fight event held in the warehouse a while back (Reader may wish to read the previous story - Training Session). He'd wanted to go and watch this as it was something different, but both his parents had said 'NO!' That had only made him more determined to sneak out and go to watch it, but he'd got caught and been grounded for a month! Plus, there had also been a few rumours about the warehouse and some of the things that went on inside. Talk of ambulances been called out and horribly injured men being taken away, also that the police had been too frightened to go in a dealt with it, stuff like that. Kenny didn't believe it, but it all went to make 'Terry's Gym' a bit of a mystery and kind of intriguing! As he'd walked through the carpark and up to the warehouse he noticed the cars, not many of them, that were parked there. A beige 4x4, a pink car, then a white one with far too many 'Hello Kitty' stickers plastered all over it, also a very nice looking red sports car, in fact it looked a bit of a beast. But somehow Kenny got the feeling these where all women's car's, strange that! Also it reminded him of some of those silly rumours about this place, like the one that is was run by a group of savage women, or the one where men where beat in everything they took part in 'how silly was all that!' But now he would find out all the secrets of what happened here, he laughed to himself about that, he might be young but was still old enough not to be taken in by silly rumours. Even so he did pause, for just the slightest moment, as he stepped through that door, what if those rumours where true, even if only just one or two? 'No!' Kenny was there to look for his Father and his Uncles, they were all into sports and fitness and had gone off here to this off shot of Terry's Gym for ... ... Come to think about it Kenny didn't know why his Father and Uncles were here. All the lad did know was that earlier his Mother, and his Aunts who were around at the time, had asked him to pop down here and make sure his Father was going to be home on time! Kenny was already going into the city centre that day, just to hang around, so it wasn't that far out of his way, and it was typical of his Father not to have his mobile with him when he was doing sports. With his Father out at the 'gym' accompanied by his Uncles and his Mother back at home with his Aunts, Kenny deduced that there was probably be some family get together later on. He didn't mind that, in fact if he hoped that's what was going to happen, a family gathering would mean his Mother would hit the kitchen and over feed everyone and his Father would uncork the wine and overdo the hospitality. And with the wine flowing then hopefully his Aunts would get a bit happy and he would be grabbed, by one or both, at some point for a quick snog out of sight of everyone else! Well it had happened before over the last couple of months, both his Aunts had caught him alone and given him a very friendly kiss, ever since he'd had his birthday in fact he'd noticed both Aunts had been paying him a bit more 'attention!' And he was a horny, young lad with two good looking, busty Aunts with great bodies, so he wasn't complaining! In the old warehouse and Kenny's mind was now back on why he was here, to pass a message on, have a nose around, see if the rumours were true and then meet up with his mates. A quick look around and he was impressed, the inside of the building had obviously had some work done to it. The main area was an open one, all the way up through a couple of floors and to the roof, in the centre was one of those large cage rings, probably left over from that event they'd had here. Around the side of the walls were some mirrors and various fitness machines and weights equipment. As he looked up he could see there was a couple of floors above him and they also looked out onto the main area. An old fashion iron rail run around the outside on the two upper floors, so people could stand up there and look down into the open area and the cage ring to watch the show. 'Yes, it looked good in here', walls cleaned down, lick of paint, bit of maintenance and work done, lots of different machines and fitness equipment everywhere and ... ... 'Wow, women!' Kenny's head shot back to where he'd just seen a good looking blond and brunette on a pair of running machines against the far wall 'Wow!' The two women where dressed in tight joggers, tight tops and looked ... ... 'Oh my!' There was a redhead wiping herself down with a towel after using the weights on the other side of the large room, and over there was ... ... ! Kenny just stood there his feet couldn't move, he didn't want to move as all he could see was a good dozen or so stunning woman all working out on the machines that lined the walls around the large cage ring. This place was heaven, wall to wall beautiful, fit women, he couldn't believe it, and then as if it couldn't get any better ... ... "Oh Dear God!" Kenny caught sight of, well she must be the most perfect woman he'd ever seen, don't get it wrong both his Aunts were hot, truly hot and he wanted them. They had both excited him no end as they had kissed him, but this woman, here in the old warehouse she was unbelievable. The lad was transfixed by a woman who he reckoned must be 30 something, she was tall, he could tell that even from the 'position' she was in. She was tall, slender with a toned, even sculptured body, she was strong, muscular and still all woman. Dressed in a pair of purple trainers, then a pair of tight black shorts and a white crop sports top. She was working out, on all fours on a length of matting on the floor and using some ball contraption, rocking backwards and forwards on it, backwards and forwards. Her long hair hung down over her shoulder, it was fair at the ends and dark everywhere else, Kenny was sure that this was due to her being wet from the sweat that covered her firm, muscular body. She was also just in the right place for the light, and as the sweat ran down her toned body it gave her a shimmering look. Her top had dark damp patches showing that this woman had been working hard and been putting that body of hers through a tough session. Kenny just stared at her, her strong, toned body and those large, yet firm looking breasts of hers, that where going up and down, up and down, as she rocked backwards and forwards, backwards and forwards, all very hypnotic. At the same time, she rocked backwards and forwards, she lifter her legs alternatively, it was obviously some exercise routing where she was working her supple body, but he was captivated by her, by each of her twists and turns and that rocking motion. All Kenny could think about was him taking the place of that mat and then having her rocking backwards and forwards on top of him, backwards and forwards. If her body wasn't enough then there was also the way she looked, her face was dripping with sweat but she looked so good, a real woman, a strong woman with a beautiful face 'Oh God!' Kenny had to tear himself away, as if he stood there much longer someone would notice him staring at the woman and he was getting far too excited to stand there and be seen! Slowly he dragged himself away as he tried to remember why he was here in the first place 'pass on a message, pass on a message!'. Kenny saw a couple of doors, one was open and he could see a set of stairs, if he went up to the next floor he could get a better view over the railings and up high, just so he could try and find his Father and Uncles, of course! As the awestruck lad pulled himself away and headed for the stairs Tina, the 36 year old aerobics instructor, looked over as she carried on rocking backwards and forwards 'Nice!' She grinned 'a cute lad like that wouldn't last long here before he got raped' she stopped her exercise and thought to herself. As he got to the door that lead to the stairs just as a redhead had gone through the other nearby door and left it open THUD! THUD! THUD! The sound of heavy blows made Kenny stop for a moment and look. This other door seemed to lead into another room, smaller but packed with various workout equipment, bags hanging down, weights and dumbbells of all sizes, a proper workout room. The lad's eyes also fell on two very shapely and sexy looking women who seemed to be working out on a large punch bag. Both women were blond, well fair haired, both late twenties or so, both where dressed on tight shorts and tight tops, both looked stunning with well defined, strong arms and legs. There was defiantly 'something interesting' about this place he though, mainly the women! One of these women, the smaller of the two was holding onto the punch bag, keeping it steady as her taller friend was dishing out a series of high kicks to the bag, really going to town as she drove her powerful leg around and into the far side of the bag THUD! 'Wow they look ... ... ' suddenly the taller woman stopped and both women instinctively, as if they knew they were being watched, turned and looked over towards the door, through it, and to Kenny as he stood there gawping. The lad became very nervous as the women with firm looks now starred at him 'Uh Oh' Kenny went bright red at being caught out and quickly made for the stairs and the safety on the next level up. Stacy and Monica now grinned as the shy, embarrassed and cute boy fled after being caught by them. 'Nice', Stacy could do a lot with a boy like that! 'Tasty', Monica was sure he would look good in her bed! Up on the next level and Kenny jumped off the stairs and to safety, he wasn't sure if those two woman where going to eat him or ... ... He smiled, maybe he was a bit too quick in getting away from them? But he had to find his Father and Uncles, that's why he was here, 'so where were they?' Downstairs and in the smaller bag and weights room Monica now grabbed onto the punch bag "your turn" she told Stacy, the smaller woman pulled back on her fingerless gloves and clenched her fists. Monica moved the bag around so that the man that was tied to it was now faced the next feisty female, his body had already taken a battering, he was hurt, busied and his face was a bloody mess. But there was still more to follow, Stacy's grin for the cute lad was now replaced with a scowling glare as she looked at the man tied to the bag and let loose with her fists WHACK! WHACK! WHACK! Kenny's Uncle Christopher had once already suffered at the hands of both these women and now they had strapped him to the punch bag and on his second beating from them, there was no saving him now! Up above and Kenny thought he heard a muffled cry of something, but perhaps he was mistaken, he looked around this second floor, there were hardly any fitness machines but lots of small areas laid out with matting, defiantly had a martial arts feel to this floor. He made his way over to the old metal railings and looked over, down into the main area and where the caged ring was, there was defiantly a good view from up here. He looked but couldn't see Tina, the woman who rolled backwards and forwards, somehow he couldn't get that imagine out of his mind, and he was very disappointed that she wasn't there anymore. Just as he was about to go off for another look around this place, BANG! A large door in the far corner slammed shut and Kenny's looked that way 'Oh there they are!' Kenny could see both his Father, John and Uncle Felix, no sign of Uncle Christopher, but the lad was sure his other Uncle would be around somewhere close by! The two men made their way towards the large cage ring and both where dressed in boots and shorts, Uncle Felix also had an old sports t-shirt on. Dressed almost as if they were going to step into the cage! They stopped at the stairs that lead up to the rings entrance gate and stood there as if waiting for something or someone, BANG! The two men, plus a few women that where around the outside by the walls and Kenny all now looked over to the other side of the large area and another door that had opened and now fell closed. This time there was a woman that had emerged from this door and 'Wow, what a woman!' She was tall, black and walked towards the cage ring with a sense of purpose, of confidence, a self-assuredness of her as a woman, there was also just a touch of arrogance as she knew who she was, and how good she was. All this diffidently suited this woman, she was Jasmin Johnson, or JJ to her friends and enemy's! The woman, JJ, was dressed in a pair of low sports boots, then her long, toned legs were on display and went up to the pair of tight blue gym shorts, next were her toned abs, she looked strong. Then further up was a yellow sports bra with a bright green loose crop top that laid over and, just hung over the edge of her well developed and large chest. If Kenny had been closer he might have been able to read the words on her top, if her large breast hadn't distracted him, too much. The slogan read 'Strong Woman', and boy did she look it! As she got closer to Kenny's Father and Uncle the woman stopped and looked the pair up and down, it was now that the lad noticed something else as well, both the men and this woman, where wearing those small, thin gloves that some 'fighters' wear, 'what was going on?' The lad knew his Father and in fact both his Uncle's had done a bit of martial arts and all three had boxed in the past. But they had all give up, according to them, promising careers as fighter to get married and have a stable family life. But still over the years these men had gone to the gym, kept in shape and remembered past glories! But now, as silly as it sounded, they looked as if they were going to go back in the ring, or caged ring! His Father v's his Uncle, surly not, so who else? There was a low hum of voices coming from down below as the two men where now talking to the attractive black woman. She pushed her long dark hair back over her shoulders as the men talked and then looked around as if bored by them, this only went to make her look more 'interesting' to the lad. Kenny leant forward onto the metal railings and looked down from above, she was quite something this woman. But the men obviously didn't have the 'same' enthusiasm for her, that the lad did, as their voices started to go up a notch, they became louder as both men took steps closer to the woman and were obviously getting annoyed, even angry at her. Kenny caught the odd word like 'fight' 'prize' 'it was agreed ... ... ' 'this is ridicules' and 'your just a woman!' The woman was now talking back, but she was the calmer one and there was no need for her to raise her voice. Kenny could see the men were getting wound up, as they frustratingly moved around in front of her. Then Felix pushed his face right up into the face of the woman and " ... ... kiss my arse!" Those words echoed around the large room very clearly, then there was a moments silence, followed by WHACK! OOOWWWHHH! The woman had had enough, especially as Uncle Felix had gone that bit too far, imagine 'her' kissing 'his' arse, never! JJ had given him a gentle tap, bringing her fist into his gut and making the man take a couple of staggering steps backwards and away from her. As he stepped backwards she followed up with CRACK! Her clenched fist came across his face, knocking the man and sending him falling back against the side of the ring. Kenny was stunned, his Father, John, shocked and Uncle Felix hurt, John's expression went from total disbelief to anger in an instant, and then he leapt forward straight at the woman THUD! Kenny jumped in horror as he saw his Father go hurtling backwards after the tall black woman had driven her fist up into the man's jaw and sent him also falling back against the ring. With both men now pushing themselves off of the ring the woman smiled and SMACK! WALLOP! She launched herself at the pair and sent her fists into both of them, Uncle Felix again went back against the ring and slid down to the floor, John was sent spinning around and staggering over towards and down onto the set of steps that lead into the cage. With both men stunned there was suddenly a commotion of woman around the ring. Uncle Felix was grabbed by a blond and brunette whist John was restrained by a redhead, at the same time JJ jumped up onto the steps opened up the cage door and stepped inside. The two stunned men where now manhandled up the steps and thrown into the cage, they both landed with a thud and in a heap, at the same time the door was firmly shut behind them. The men where now alone in the cage with the black woman, Felix and John locked inside with JJ! It was also about now that something else dawned on Kenny as he watched all this from high above. The fact that, as far as he'd seen, the only men, males in this place where him, his Father, Uncle Felix and Uncle Christopher, who he was sure was somewhere close by! No other men, how strange was that? In the cage and both men got themselves back onto their feet, Uncle Felix was shouting something at the woman, and not being too nice about it. John also joined in as both men now took steps closer to her, even so they were a 'bit weary' now so they spread themselves out further. That didn't bother JJ, and as they got closer she throw herself into a roll and aimed at Uncle Felix, she tumbled across the floor and crashed into the man, knocking him over like a skittle and dropping him to the floor. With him down, she rolled over again and now was on top of the man, she quickly pinned him to the floor of the caged ring and WHACK! WHACK! WHACK! Her strong arm went up and her powerful fist came crashing down again and again into Felix. She was quick, strong and took Uncle Felix completely by surprise, she pounded him hard then suddenly she was grabbed! John had come rushing over to help his friend, he'd reached out a grabbed onto the woman's arm as it came up ready to pound Felix one more time. He grabbed her arm to stop her, JJ looked around at the man that had dare to this, her arm flexed and she moved her arm, the man wasn't strong enough to hold her. John struggled to hold onto her arm, so grabbed it with both his hands, JJ moved her arm some more, John struggled even more 'God how strong was this woman?' As the man used all his strength to try and hold on he looked into her face, her eye's peered back and her smile told him 'Shit, she just playing with me!' WOOOSSSHHH! THUD! JJ now wrenched her arm around and with John gripping it so hard he also came with it. The man was taken off his feet, as she brought her arm down John was not only sent forward but spun around, she twisted him over so he came crashing down on his back. Hitting the canvas hard, taking him by surprise and knocking the wind out of him at the same time. JJ was now free to smash her fist one last time into Felix, straight into the centre of his face, busting his nose as making the blood splatter out. Then in a flash she leapt upwards and reached out to the other fallen man, John. She thrusted herself completely off of Felix and into the air as she headed for John. Coming crashing down on him, knee first and bringing all of her strong weight down with it. She came down hard on John, making the man call out in pain and making his watching Son wince as the stunning woman came crashing down on him. Just then Kenny noticed something else, a noise behind him, he was about to turn when WOOSSHH! THUD! OOOWWWW! Suddenly he'd been attacked, well sort of, as he'd leant over the rails, to get a better view of what was going on, he was unaware of what or who was behind him until the last moment. He'd been too engrossed, shocked and just a little captivated with what was going on in the cage ring to have noticed Tina, the sexy, sweaty and stunning woman from downstairs who had now leapt on him. She pinned him against the railings, one hand had gripped the rail on one side of him, her other hand grabbed onto the other side. She was strong, her hold on the rails was very firm, and her body was now pressed against his and she held him there, trapped. With her body pushing against him and her powerful arms either side, he was imprisoned by her body, she gave him no room to move, he couldn't even turn around. She held him there and all he could do was carry on watching as his Father and Uncle got their beating off of the black woman. In the cage and JJ was still on top of John, her fists rained down on the man, pounding him, hurting him and breaking him, she also brought her knee up, so she could again pound him with it. Felix had managed to roll over and away from the woman, he had got himself up onto his feet, wiped the blood away from his face and was now angry! He caught his breath could see that John was now at her mercy and rushed forward to take the woman down "ARRRRRR!" THUD! As he rushed her she stopped pounding John, JJ pushed herself up, and as Felix got there she grabbed onto the man running towards her, pushed herself up further, turned and tossed the man over and down to the canvas floor. Uncle Felix landed with a loud thud and rolled clumsily across the floor, Kenny flinched at this, but he also had own 'problems!' Tina's large breasts where pushing hard into his back, her damp top was now seeping through to his t-shirt, her sweat was now slowing running onto his body! Elsewhere things were also hotting up, JJ sprung up onto her feet WHACK! She kicked out, slamming that foot of hers into the side of John, making him winch and shudder, quickly followed by a much harder blow as CRUNCH! OOOOHHHH! The woman, stepped back, lifted her leg up straight and high and drove it down fast, she pounded the heel of her foot into the centre of the man's chest. The sound of his upper body taking that blow filled the room, and the group of dedicated and attractive fitness females appreciated the move, a lot! Up high and Tina's, sweaty body was still full on and pressing into Kenny's back, there was an uncomfortable side to all this as he was being forced into the waist high solid metal rail. But there was also the enjoyable side as the woman's body, and breasts pressed against him, his arms rubbed against hers and he could almost feel how strong she was. Also there was that odd tingling sensation as he could also feel the beads of sweat running down her arms. He was also sure those two extra hard 'bits' that pressed into his back where her nipples, he hoped they were! Tina flicked her long hair, it went up and strands fell down over her captive lad, the woman moved in close and put her lips against his ear "how would you like to go in the ring with ... Me!" She felt his whole body shiver as she said that, and that pleased Tina. Why did he shudder, was it her body pressing against him, was it what she had said, was it her hot breath on the side of his face, or the smell of her strong body? He didn't know, all young Russ did know was that he wanted to lick all the sweat off of her body and then do it all over again! In the ring and the lads Father was having a bad time, so was his Uncle, as John rolled around on the floor holding onto his painful chest, as it felt as if it had just caved in on him, now JJ went back to Felix. The injured man was trying to push himself up from the floor but was staggering around like a drunk man, hopelessly hurt, disorientated and in trouble. The black woman sauntered over, as she got close she reached out, grabbed Felix, took a firm hold on his t-shirt and swung him around. She went almost full circle, building up speed, then at the right moment, and using those very strong arms of hers she ripped him up off the floor, up into the air and flung him hard against the steel cage wall CRASH! CLATTER! The whole of the cage shook as the man slammed into the wall, there was a cry of pain and sound of hurt and the man fell down onto the ropes, which amusingly twisted him around and dropped him back onto the floor THUD! This display of JJ's strength and how to treat a man in a steel cage went down very well with the female audience. Another man who was also suffering was Uncle Christopher, Stacy and Monica had given him his second beating whist strapped to the punch bag and where just in the mood to go upstairs and 'find' the cute lad when they had seen Tina already going up the stairs. They instantly knew why 'she' was going up there and where very disappointed, that just meant one thing, the man they had would have to suffer some more! They cut Christopher down, released him from the punch bag, he was so grateful and lay there on the floor trying to get his breath back and fight the pain his body was in. Then he looked up and saw that Monica and Stacy were stood there 'Shit!' Each woman was holding a set of dumbbells, one in each hand, and the look on both women's face told the man he should be scared. They each stepped forward, then raised an arm and held that dumbbell high above him, there was a slight paused that seemed to last forever, then WALLOP! CRUNCH! ARRRRRHHHHH! In the cage John was being dragged across the ring, the woman had a firm grip, a fistful of hair, holding him by the back of his head. The she started to run, she got faster as she was now guiding, pushing, forcing the battered man towards one of the steel walls. As if she had done this before and knowing just the right moment, she lifted the running man up by his hair, off his feet and up, then throw him. She sent his flying body over the ring ropes and up into the cage wall CRASH! UUUUUHHHHH! Again the cage walls shook and the audience was excited by this, John's body shuddered and fell, his legs went one way over the top rope and the rest of his body went the other way. In an amusing way he ended up hanging upside down over the ropes, very entertaining to the women who were watching. Up high and Kenny's time was also almost up, Tina moved, grabbed onto the lad's arm and spun him around so he was now facing her, he looked scared but also at the same time there was a hit of excitement in his face and even a touch of confidence, 'interesting?' She grabbed the lad swung him around and HUUUHHH! THUD! She sent his flying, he staggered and stumbled, then fell onto one of the many blues mats nearby. He fell on his back and had the wind knocked out of him for a second, then THUD! OOOOHHHH! Tina suddenly landed on top of him, she grabbed his arm, pinned him down and then, slowly, started to rock backwards and forwards, she just stared at him, her lovely face was strangely emotionless and her dark eyes just held his gaze. He swallowed hard, a drop of sweat dripped off her face and onto his, 'what was she going to do now?' Down on the ground floor and JJ walked over to the upside down hanging John, as she got to him WHACK! Her boot shot out into his face and finished this one off. Now she turned her attention back to Felix, she picked him up from the floor, then tossed him over and into one of the corner posts, there was a painful thudding sound as he slammed into the post and slumped down into the corner. The tall strong woman walked over WHACK! A good kick to his head, but he was still conscious enough for her to turn around and stick her delightful rear in his face "now you will kiss 'my' arse!" The defeat man had no choice and did just that, he submitted to the better woman by kissing her lush rear, JJ stepped forward turns around, again a smug smile on her face and WHACK! Her foot came up and shot forward, pounding his face and sending her second man out. Back at 'home' and Kenny's Mother, Muriel, looked at the time, she reckoned that her son would have made it to the gym by now and 'seen his Father and Uncles!' She finished pouring the wine and handed the glasses over to her sisters in law, Sophie and Tilly, "what do you think Kenny made of his visit to the gym?" A pause was followed by "it must have been a better experience than what the men had!" This was followed by a loud round of laughter from the three women, Muriel was sure her two brothers, Felix and Christopher and her husband John would by now have been put in their place. When the three men had talked about going back to boxing and got an idea for cage fighting, they had all remembered about Terry's Gym and the cage fight event there. The men should go to Terry's gym! Muriel had said that was a bad idea, Terry's Gym wasn't 'their kind of gym', the men had got annoyed with this 'what did she know about gym's and cage fighting!' "OK have it your way" Muriel had said, in fact she would get her friend JJ to sort out a visit for the three men, 'that was more like it.' Muriel had been going to Terry's gym for a while now, and enjoyed its different ways, so she didn't want her husband and brothers going there spoiling her fun, 'whatever next?' So the men would have to be taught a lesson and she knew how JJ and the girls down there loved doing that! Sending Kenny down there was just an added extra, she didn't want her Son doing anything silly like taking up boxing or anything like that, and she knew the girl's would be 'gentle' with the lad, but he would still know his place! "Now then ... ... " Muriel looked at Sophie and Tilly, the two women, Kenny's Aunts where a little disappointed that their Nephew had been sent to the gym, those women down there were sure to 'like him!' But both Aunty Sophie and Aunty Tilly had planes for Nephew Kenny and they could wait, a 'little' while longer. But for now they had other plans and as Muriel leant forward and kissed these two other women the plans were coming along nicely ... ... !